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yakra
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 Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: VT's USBANs (Ping: Tim) |
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The "Ping Tim" bit is a few posts down. Marked like this.
VT US2BusMon Foo Bar OTOH signage at either end is lacking
VT US2TrkStJ signed
VT US2TrkSSJ signed
VT US4BusRut signed
VT US5AltDer ?
VT US5AltNew ?
VT US5AltStJ signed
VT US7AltBur no evidence
I explored Burlington pretty thoroughly in May `08 and didn't really find any evidence of US7Alt existing in the field.
Froggie, any ideas whether US5AltDer or US5AltNew are signed in the field? Or what the state Hwy status of any of these routes per VTrans might be, what with your inside sources?
For example, US5AltDer may be designated on the town level, ending at the Derby town line. I forget whether it's on state hwys or just town hwys.
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froggie
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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What you list as ALT US 7 in Burlington is actually southbound mainline US 7, at least north of Main St. SB US 7 (and EB US 2) then use Main St between Winnoski Ave and Willard St. I'm going to double-check the shapefiles, but pending anything otherwise there, it's probably safe to get rid of US7AltBur.
Couldn't tell you about the US 5 ALTs in Derby or Newport. Haven't made it up that way yet, but I could try to put it on the to-do list for next month when I head up. No guarantees, though.
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yakra
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking out loud...? Kinda figuring this out as I type it.
...feel free to ignore. 
| froggie wrote: | | What you list as ALT US 7 in Burlington is actually southbound mainline US 7, at least north of Main St. SB US 7 (and EB US 2) then use Main St between Winnoski Ave and Willard St. I'm going to double-check the shapefiles, but pending anything otherwise there, it's probably safe to get rid of US7AltBur. |
Oh, this stuff looks like fun... 
Just to be sure we're on the same page, what did you use for your info source? Shapefiles (or at least, your memory of them if you need to double-check)?
Reviewing in StreetView (my memory's a little dusty & I explored a lil less thoroughly than I thought - AND my camera gave up the ghost on my Burlington trip) I see that southbound, traffic appears to be directed onto Willard then Main to Winooski, as you said. But at the JCT of Main & Willard, traffic shows 7 going both ways on Willard. From the south, US7 is directed onto Willard, and there's a reassurance shield shortly thereafter.
So... it looks like we have a NB routing along Willard to make up for the one-way section of Winooski from Union to Pearl.
So we have a situation similar to the largely two-way couplet on historic ME US1 US1AltPor_S ME22,
or the 1½-way couplet at MA US202 US5_S LymSt
I'll agree that it's safe to get rid of US7AltBur, and consider what's signed (and what you described) as part of US7 south. What remains is how to represent it in the browser. I could move a couple points to the middle of the couplet, or call it close enough and leave it as is for visual cleanliness. (Kinda like MA US202 US5_S LymSt - there was no good way to "split the difference", so I just chose the SB routing.
Bits:
FWIW we have this map.
I'll check the shapefiles for good measure too. Even though my windows box is broken. Again. So who knows when I'll get to that.  |
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froggie
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Just to be sure we're on the same page, what did you use for your info source? Shapefiles (or at least, your memory of them if you need to double-check)? |
Field-checking. I was just in Burlington yesterday morning...:o)
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froggie
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Now this is interesting. I found VTrans' 2008 AADT book, dated this past May, which is as close to an online route log as VTrans gets. It confirms the presence of ALT 7 in Burlington, as well as BUSINESS 2 in Montpelier, and the two ALT 5's in Derby and Newport (with the Derby one terminating past I-91 at the Derby town line).
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yakra
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Nice. Looks good enough to me to keep in, then.
Heh. You know, I think I recall looking at one of these long ago when 1st putting the US routes together. Long enough ago to just about forget about. I need to start taking notes. :D
Here's an interesting bit:
US4BusRut goes WestSt, ColAve, StaSt, MerRow, WestSt; not just solid WestSt as Google & I have it. Avoids a couple at-grade rail xings that way. |
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yakra
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Here's the "Ping Tim" bit:
Tim, Tweaking a few routes including VT US5AltDer. No one's clinched any of it yet.
I'm thinking I should change the Derby_TL point to be in line with the convention we've developed for this sort of thing (VT/NH, Que/Nas, etc.). Use DL/Der? DerLin/Der, or DerLine/Der? Something else?
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You have no idea how tempted I am to skip work tomorrow and drive up to Derby just to clinch this so I can whine about it not being done.  |
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yakra
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, it's done -- I'm just in the process of revising it, along with a buncha other stuff.
I guess I'm not *as* tempted to take a road trip up there, seeing these routes listed on the AADT logs. But I would like to hang out on Church St with a Scrabble board and wait for someone to come along from the North. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| yakra wrote: | Here's the "Ping Tim" bit:
Tim, Tweaking a few routes including VT US5AltDer. No one's clinched any of it yet.
I'm thinking I should change the Derby_TL point to be in line with the convention we've developed for this sort of thing (VT/NH, Que/Nas, etc.). Use DL/Der? DerLin/Der, or DerLine/Der? Something else? |
I checked it out in the HB. THAT's an official Alt route? I can't think of any auxiliary US highways that end at a town line. It doesn't sound like something AASHTO would agree to (if they matter).
If so, it'd just have three points: US5, I-91, Der/[first 3 letters of the county name].
If Yahoo Maps is drawing the town line right, the 3rd point needs to be moved east (and the 2nd point too). |
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yakra
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I checked it out in the HB. THAT's an official Alt route? I can't think of any auxiliary US highways that end at a town line. It doesn't sound like something AASHTO would agree to (if they matter). |
Not official per AASHTO, but it is official per the AADT book link Froggie provided.
| Quote: | | If so, it'd just have three points: US5, I-91, Der/[first 3 letters of the county name]. |
It's entirely within Orleans county -- the end is the border of the village of Derby Line and the town of Derby. So, Der/Der not really working, we've gotta come up with something else.
| Quote: | | If Yahoo Maps is drawing the town line right, the 3rd point needs to be moved east (and the 2nd point too). |
My source for the 3rd point: [link]
My thinking for the second point, at the time, was pretty much, to have *some* point of access to *something* before the route petered out at a quasi-arbitrary place.
But, you know...
With this point falling just about exactly where VT I-91 29 does, I may as well just have a 2-point route, label the 2nd point I-91, and be done with it, not worrying about this naming mumbo jumbo.   |
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