US6 & pals, Fall River MA: new Veterans Memorial Bridge

 
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yakra



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: US6 & pals, Fall River MA: new Veterans Memorial Bridge Reply with quote

The Veterans Memorial Bridge has opened, carrying US6 & MA138 over the Taunton River.

I suggest:

US6:
Replace:

MA103/138 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725334&lon=-71.157460
with:
*Old6 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.728993&lon=-71.164616
BraAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.728500&lon=-71.160738
MA103/138 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.727884&lon=-71.155974
MA79 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725546&lon=-71.149473
And relabel existing:
MA79 -> BriSt

MA138:
Replace:

US6/103 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725334&lon=-71.157460
with:
US6/103 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.727884&lon=-71.155974
MA79 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725546&lon=-71.149473
And relabel existing:
MA79 -> BriSt

MA79:
US6 -> BriSt, followed by new point
US6 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725546&lon=-71.149473

MA103:
existing US6/138: rename to, uhh... something. (BriSt?)
Followed by a new END! at
US6/138 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.725334&lon=-71.157460

Nota Bene:
This all assumes MA103 will be extended north along old US6/138 to meet new US6/138. Sounds reasonable, right?
I didn't pay any attention to point coords, and how to adjust them to avoid a false multiplex of US6/MA138 and MA79, along the ramps and frontage roads. I'll leave this bit up to you.
US6's suggested *Old6 point, well... May or may not be a BriSt_W or what-have-you. I've read it will become a one-lane slip road, connecting to a local street or two... as such maybe it oughtta be considered a part of the BraAve jct, and folded into that?
OTOH, Tim still suggested I retain the old points for US2 & ME113 when US2 was rerouted, even though they were very close to the newly added points. Eh!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some questions...

The new bridge gives MA 138 no reason to be on the frontage road surrounding MA 79, so is it now concurrent with MA 79?

Was MA 103 extended to the new US 6/MA 138 as expected?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't Know, on both counts.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracking down this very old issue. Everything seems straightforward and as Eric suggested except the possible issue of 138 remaining on frontage roads instead of being concurrent with 79. MassDOT's online route logs are still from 2005, it seems. GMSV appears to be very recent, but we can only see the southbound side of 79 where I want to be able to see northbound. I am inclined to believe that 138 is still on frontage roads. I wonder if the situation is complicated by the apparent lack of a direct ramp from 79 South to US 6 East on the new bridge. Any thoughts? Wish I remembered this thread a month ago - I was in the area.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if you meant to say US6 west, but in either case, looking at the aerials, it looks like all the ramps are there.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yakra wrote:
Don't know if you meant to say US6 west, but in either case, looking at the aerials, it looks like all the ramps are there.


Sure enough, you're right.

I'm inclined not to let the ambiguity about the separation or not of the routings for 79 and 138 stop the update that will fix US 6's routing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at Google satellite imagery, I can see that northbound 138 (and westbound US6) need to use the frontage road. The offramp to the new bridge leaves from the frontage road, which is separated from the mainline by a Jersey barrier. Access is via the slip ramp that splits off above President Ave.
So I'll call this as 138 not being concurrent with 79.

admin wrote:
Was MA 103 extended to the new US 6/MA 138 as expected?
Checking out GMSV, this looks like a Yes.

I'll get working on this update.

Changes made (so far):

US6:

*OldUS6 added
MA103/138 & MA79 relocated
existing MA79 -> BriSt


MA24:
6 & 7 repositioned
8 +-> 8A
8B added
I-93 +-> 21


MA79:
existing US6 -> *BriSt
new US6 added
MA24(7) repositioned
MA24(8) +-> MA24(8A)
MA24(8B) added
+X01 replaced with MalRd


MA103:
existing US6/138 -> GraArmyHwy
new US6/138 endpoint added


MA123:
CenSt_W added
MA138_S moved to Depot St
existing MA138_S -> CenSt_E


MA138:
MA79 -> BriSt
new MA79 added
US6/103 relocated
CenSt -> CenSt_Dig
+X01 replaced with RaiAve
+X02 replaced with WasSt
CentSt -> CenSt_Ray
MA123_W moved to Depot St
existing MA123_W -> CenSt_Eas
CenSt_Sto added


Multiplexes:
Between President Ave & Brightman St:

Both directions of US6 use frontage roads.
Both directions of MA79 use main lanes.
MA138 SB uses main lane; NB uses frontage road.
None of these routes are concurrent here.

Between Brightman St & Veterans Memorial Bridge:
US6 & MA138 both use frontage roads.
MA79 uses main lanes.
US6 & MA138 multiplex; MA79 is concurrent with neither.

Point coords to avoid false positives:
MA138 US6_E slid .000001 east vice US6 MA138_S. Breaks US6/MA138 false positive south of Brightman.
MA79 *BriSt slid .000001 east vice US6 BriSt & MA138 BriSt. Breaks US6/MA79 & MA79/MA138 false positives north of Brightman, and retains US6/MA136 true positive.

When I get this pull request in, I will submit some temporary .list files as a test to make sure this all works as I think it will.

Other edits elsewhere to be submitted as part of the same update:

MA18:
TarHillRd, BraRd, CouRd, HemShoRd added

MA1ASal:
MA107 -> BriSt_SalS
BriSt_SalN added
new MA107 @ Sgt James Ayube Memorial Dr approach to Veterans Memorial Bridge
+X01 replaced with BriSt_Ham


MA107:
MA129A_E moved to Waitt Ave
existing MA129A_E -> EasAve
BriSt_N added
MA1A moved to Bridge St approach to Veterans Memorial Bridge


MA129ALyn:
Removed from Eastern Ave and relocated onto Waitt Ave between MA 107 and Victory Road

Quote:
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;US 6;ma.us006;Removed from Grand Army of the Republic Highway and the Brightman Street Bridge, and relocated onto the Veterans Memorial Bridge between a point labeled *OldUS6 and MA 79
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 79;ma.ma079;Waypoint US6 moved from Brightman Street to the Veterans Memorial Bridge
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 103;ma.ma103;Extended eastward from Grand Army of the Republic Highway to the Veterans Memorial Bridge (US 6)
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 107;ma.ma107;Removed from Bridge Street between Sergeant James Ayube Memorial Drive and MA 1A, and relocated onto Sergeant James Ayube Memorial Drive between Bridge Street and MA 1A
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 123;ma.ma123;Removed from Central Street in Easton, and relocated onto Depot Street and MA 138
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 129A (Lynn);ma.ma129alyn;Removed from Eastern Ave and relocated onto Waitt Ave between MA 107 and Victory Road
2015-11-13;(USA) Massachusetts;MA 138;ma.ma138;Removed from the Brightman Street Bridge and MA 103, and relocated onto the Veterans Memorial Bridge between MA 79 and MA 103
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull request submitted.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/204
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