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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Updates are now in the Master. Leaving this thread open for a few days in case there are any problems with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
Updates are now in the Master. Leaving this thread open for a few days in case there are any problems with it.


West endpoint should be Tuc/Gra, not Gra/Tuc. Tucker County is on the west side of the county line where US 48 begins, Grant County is on the east side.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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rickmastfan67 wrote:
Updates are now in the Master. Leaving this thread open for a few days in case there are any problems with it.


West endpoint should be Tuc/Gra, not Gra/Tuc. Tucker County is on the west side of the county line where US 48 begins, Grant County is on the east side.


Oops. Working on a fix right now. Also tweaking the label in WV-93's file to US48_Gra.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
oscar_voss wrote:
rickmastfan67 wrote:
Updates are now in the Master. Leaving this thread open for a few days in case there are any problems with it.

West endpoint should be Tuc/Gra, not Gra/Tuc. Tucker County is on the west side of the county line where US 48 begins, Grant County is on the east side.

Oops. Working on a fix right now. Also tweaking the label in WV-93's file to US48_Gra.


Thanks. Sorry for crossing you up in my comments above, using both versions of the west endpoint label.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fix has been submitted and already merged.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/88/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No biggey Oscar. At least it was caught very quickly so that I didn't need to hide any labels. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW Oscar, let me know if you're back in that area again as I need a name check on the access road labeled 'ToWV42' (in US-48's file). Google has a name for it, but I don't want to change the label in both US-48's and WV-93's files till I get confirmation either by a field check, or via StreetView (currently '09 in that area still).

Also, just so you know, when US-48 is extended once again to the West of the 'Tuc/Gra' point ('US48_Gra' in WV-93's file), I'm going to be hiding (not deleting) it in both files in favor of the road almost litterly right next to it, CR90/1. I don't think that should be too much of a problem IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
BTW Oscar, let me know if you're back in that area again as I need a name check on the access road labeled 'ToWV42' (in US-48's file). Google has a name for it, but I don't want to change the label in both US-48's and WV-93's files till I get confirmation either by a field check, or via StreetView (currently '09 in that area still).

Will do, probably just after US 48 is extended again (perhaps before this winter).

rickmastfan67 wrote:
Also, just so you know, when US-48 is extended once again to the West of the 'Tuc/Gra' point ('US48_Gra' in WV-93's file), I'm going to be hiding (not deleting) it in both files in favor of the road almost litterly right next to it, CR90/1. I don't think that should be too much of a problem IMO.

Sounds good to me. I think we can assume CR90/1 will get extended a little to meet the new US 48 alignment, perhaps right at the Tuc/Gra waypoint. Something else for me to confirm, next time I'm out there once US 48 is re-extended onto the new alignment.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US 48 has been extended west again, about three miles. I gathered coordinates with my handheld GPS receiver yesterday, a few days after the extension opened to traffic

The new west end of the four-lane divided pavement:

*OldWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913

This also happens to be where the old WV 93 roadway connected to the new pavement. It now is a closed intersection.

Here is where that segment of old WV 93 roadway peeled away from the new roadways, according to my GPS receiver, at what also is a closed intersection:

*OldWV93_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19513&lon=-79.29603

However, OSM/Mapnik indicates a peel-away point about 0.09 miles to the east:

*OldWV93_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.195100&lon=-79.294397

We could go with either one. Since both are so close to the old Tuc/Gra west endpoint for US 48, and are within the footprint of old WV 93, I suggest making Tuc/Gra a hidden alternate label for *OldWV93_E, rather than keeping Tuc/Gra as a separate visible waypoint.

WV 93 follows US 48 to its new west end, and to WV 32. There is no US 48 signage at that intersection, or the roadway between there and the new four-lane US 48 section, except a US 48 marker on a "Your Highway Taxes at Work" sign at the beginning of the construction zone about 0.8 mile east of WV 32. I would place the new west endpoint for US 48 at *OldWV93_W, where four lanes of new concrete pavement begins, since US 48 is complete only east of that point.

Construction is ongoing, beginning at the "Your Highway Taxes at Work" sign, continuing east about 7.2 miles to the new four-lane segment. In most of the construction zone, there is a new two-lane concrete roadway which will become the new EB roadway for US 48, but for now carries two-way WV 93 traffic (which has been moved off parts of the old WV 93 roadway, due to curve straightening). A new WB roadway is under construction alongside the new EB roadway, part unfinished concrete pavement and the rest only graded.

My GPS reads:

"Your Highway Taxes" sign, where the new EB roadway peels away from the old roadway:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.137810&lon=-79.461540

Beginning of the new concrete EB roadway:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.138340&lon=-79.460040
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oscar_voss wrote:
rickmastfan67 wrote:
BTW Oscar, let me know if you're back in that area again as I need a name check on the access road labeled 'ToWV42' (in US-48's file). Google has a name for it, but I don't want to change the label in both US-48's and WV-93's files till I get confirmation either by a field check, or via StreetView (currently '09 in that area still).

Will do, probably just after US 48 is extended again (perhaps before this winter).


Did you check this out when you were there?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
oscar_voss wrote:
rickmastfan67 wrote:
BTW Oscar, let me know if you're back in that area again as I need a name check on the access road labeled 'ToWV42' (in US-48's file). Google has a name for it, but I don't want to change the label in both US-48's and WV-93's files till I get confirmation either by a field check, or via StreetView (currently '09 in that area still).

Will do, probably just after US 48 is extended again (perhaps before this winter).

Did you check this out when you were there?

I didn't specifically check that out, but recall seeing signage for "Communications Dr." which is what both Google Maps and Bing (at least) label it. I would just go with that,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oscar_voss wrote:
However, OSM/Mapnik indicates a peel-away point about 0.09 miles to the east:

*OldWV93_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.195100&lon=-79.294397


That's because I made a complete guess when I added in the new alignment 3 months ago (OSM Changeset 33810304). NAIP imagery was still from last year (2014) there, but was good enough to add in most of the new highway. It even shows the new alignment part which you see I started to trace, but I didn't have the time to continue the trace then as I just wanted to get the 'opened' part dealt with so routing engines could properly use it.

BTW, doesn't CR 90/1 have an intersection in that area? Need to know this before I submit, as that might be a better label if the intersection is right there.

oscar_voss wrote:
The new west end of the four-lane divided pavement:

*OldWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913

This also happens to be where the old WV 93 roadway connected to the new pavement. It now is a closed intersection.


Seems that location was just where an access road was to a power line tower. The old alignment for WV-93 leaves/joins in that area here:
https://goo.gl/maps/ER58prE3VSJ2

You can see the very early stages of construction in Google's imagery there, while NAIP is newer.

So, if the divided part ends at the location you gave above, maybe I should just 'fudge' it a little bit and extend it to where WV-93's old alignment really left where I pointed it out above?

BTW, I just added the new alignment to OSM based off the NAIP and what I understood from you Oscar. Please take a look and possibly comment on the changeset itself if you see anything that's really badly off.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:

BTW, doesn't CR 90/1 have an intersection in that area? Need to know this before I submit, as that might be a better label if the intersection is right there.

Yes, it's signed with the route number and name (Johnson Run Rd.). My GPS read for thst intersection (taken just north of US 48's WB lanes) is at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19517&lon=-79.29559. That's right on top of what OSM shows for 90/1. It also is just 0.02 mile east of the GPS read I gave you for the apparent peelaway point for the old WV 93 alignment, which is probably within "fudge" range.

rickmastfan67 wrote:

oscar_voss wrote:
The new west end of the four-lane divided pavement:

*OldWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913

This also happens to be where the old WV 93 roadway connected to the new pavement. It now is a closed intersection.

Seems that location was just where an access road was to a power line tower. The old alignment for WV-93 leaves/joins in that area here:
https://goo.gl/maps/ER58prE3VSJ2

You can see the very early stages of construction in Google's imagery there, while NAIP is newer.

So, if the divided part ends at the location you gave above, maybe I should just 'fudge' it a little bit and extend it to where WV-93's old alignment really left where I pointed it out above?

ISTM that US 48 now ends where the divided highway ends, and if that's not precisely where WV 93's old alignment meets the new alignment, maybe the peel-away point is what should be fudged.

rickmastfan67 wrote:
BTW, I just added the new alignment to OSM based off the NAIP and what I understood from you Oscar. Please take a look and possibly comment on the changeset itself if you see anything that's really badly off.

Only thing I noticed is the bend in WV 93 west of the new divided highway, and NW of Brown Mtn., probably has been straighened, with both directions of traffic moved to what will be the new EB lanes for US 48 once it's exxtended again. I don't have any GPS reads or other data to confirm, but maybe NAIP can help there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oscar_voss wrote:

rickmastfan67 wrote:

oscar_voss wrote:
The new west end of the four-lane divided pavement:

*OldWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913

This also happens to be where the old WV 93 roadway connected to the new pavement. It now is a closed intersection.

Seems that location was just where an access road was to a power line tower. The old alignment for WV-93 leaves/joins in that area here:
https://goo.gl/maps/ER58prE3VSJ2

You can see the very early stages of construction in Google's imagery there, while NAIP is newer.

So, if the divided part ends at the location you gave above, maybe I should just 'fudge' it a little bit and extend it to where WV-93's old alignment really left where I pointed it out above?

ISTM that US 48 now ends where the divided highway ends, and if that's not precisely where WV 93's old alignment meets the new alignment, maybe the peel-away point is what should be fudged.

It's my recollection from a prior visit in July 2015 that WV 93 was rerouted soon before the new segment opened, to use the power line access road to take WV 93 traffic from its old alignment to the new alignment. I definitely recall having to make a sharp left turn at that location to connect to WV 93 and get around the not-yet-open new US 48 segment, which is what led me to label it *OldWV93_W.

But a point about 0.16 mile west of where I had put *OldWV93_W, in the vicinity of http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.194164&lon=-79.352070 (I estimated the location from commercial satellite imagery) would more accurately represent where the original (before construction changes) WV 93 alignment tied into the new alignment. Construction of new WB lanes west of my *OldWV93_W has obliterated the original alignment/new alignment split, so I couldn't spot that location or take a GPS read.

I suggest two separate waypoints, with a new *OldWV93_W waypoint put in the location you suggest, but only in the WV 93 route file. The *OldWV93_W waypoint I suggested could be labeled US 48_W in the WV 93 route file, and *TempWV93_W in the US 48 route file, both of which could be renamed and/or hidden once US 48 is extended again to(ward) WV 32 next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally don't want to use the 'US48_W' label in WV-93's file right now. Main reason is because if they decide to a similar setup @ WV-32 like they did where WV-55 leaves US-48 @ US-220.

So, how does this setup sound to you:

WV-93:
Code:
...
AFraRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.185172&lon=-79.368217
*OldWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.194164&lon=-79.352070
*TempWV93_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913 (to be hidden once US-48 hits WV-32 since it was a very temporary setup here)

CR90/1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19513&lon=-79.29603
+US48_Gra http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.195453&lon=-79.292327 (Hidden now, then deleted once it's corresponding point in US-48's file is no longer used by anybody since being so close to CR90/1)

US48_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.209196&lon=-79.273696
...


US-48:
Code:
WV93_Tuc http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19451&lon=-79.34913 (to be hidden once US-48 hits WV-32 since it was a very temporary setup here)

CR90/1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.19513&lon=-79.29603
+Tuc/Gra http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.195453&lon=-79.292327 (Hidden now, then deleted once it's no longer used by anybody since being so close to CR90/1)

WV93_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.209196&lon=-79.273696
...
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