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yakra
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 Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: Sheridan WY & environs |
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Oi, Andy!
OK, this is weird. AASHTO's `89 route log says that WY US87 follows I-90 from the MT line to I-25. But their May 2001 rejection of WY's rerouting request imples it does not. What info did you find on the state level when making the GGMs?
Streetview shows signage for the surface route you have in the browser, but note the lack of Business banners, as in Rawlins. Also, it looks as if I-90BL follows US14Bus.
(I thought I'd found a sign showing 87 going in some totally bogus direction at one intersection, but I can't seem to relocate it and provide a link. So anyway...)
Looks like signage for just I-90BL?
TO WY331, eh? If not there, then where does it begin? And perhaps it still merits including a waypoint...
Is that an I-90BL along with the 87/14? 1 2
*squint* - US87 straight; I-90BL & US14 left?
No mention of I-90BL here or here
But this looks like a positive. This too. Badabing, Badaboom!
A-HA! Frickin' Eureka! This could explain the dual designation on I-90 and the surface route! With just as poor signage as in Rawlins! Perhaps in May 2001 WYDOT meant to request for a reroute of 87 Business... but just didn't even know where their own route(s) went! Jeez Louise. The Business route isn't even recognized by AASHTO. C'mon, guys, put it where you need. =P
Grrr... But this looks more like a NORTH than a BUS... |
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yakra
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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And in the Business 87 rerouted by the landslide area department...
Signage at the north end of the impassable old 87(bus?). Note the 193 sign pointing south, and the 87 only pointing north, not reflecting the changes that AASHTO didn't allow (rightfully or not) WYDOT to make.
And in the satellite view, note the realigned road, flowing straight onto 193 toward Story. This is, in practice, The Way You Go™. Same story (pardon the pun) at the south end.
So. If we accept that this is a business route not recognized by AASHTO, should the route be moved west onto 193, the physically passable, de facto routing? |
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yakra
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andytom
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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If you read the whole 2001 USRN report (i.e. the first page), it explains the rejection at the time (there was no addressing the current deficiencies on the new routing [WY 193]). As far as I know, the request has not been resubmitted.
I know you're trying to help but it would be much appreciated if you would let me do the computer driven maintenance on my own sections. With the massive additions to Streetview, I'm going through my sections again but it will take some time to do. If you actually travel a section or find something that actually shows a problem with one of my sections, I'll be glad to address it. Fuzzy Streetview pictures tend to generate more questions than answers and I would like to deal with those on a regular maintenance schedule.
You need to get out of this OCD phase that you are in concerning this project. 
Oh, and thanks for the link to the map viewer. That would have helped when making the ggm files. I'll be using that in maintaining them.
--Andy |
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andytom
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I'll add these points (don't know how I missed them the first time) in the next week or two. I'll also be looking at this area concerning the Business Route.
--Andy |
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yakra
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| andytom wrote: | | You need to get out of this OCD phase that you are in concerning this project. |
Hoooo.... Yeah. It'll pass. Then come raging back with a vengeance. Then pass again. Etcetera.
As for the rest, well... yeah, I have a problem with verbosity.  Gotta try to keep it down to just the necessary stuff... |
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andytom
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After further research, I've decided to leave US-87 as is and not add a US-87Bus in Sheridan.
I base this on the following:
This picture showing mainline US-87 continuing straight north at the junction with I-90BL (even though the route north of there is otherwise prominently marked as US-87Bus).
There is no indication that either US-87 or US-87Bus goes east of the junction with I-90BL.
There are no reassurance markers for US-87 on I-90 between exits 20 and 44 while there are outside that range.
I'm also only adding the point for Upper Prairie Dog Rd (as the final return to freeway before the problem area south of there). WY331 shows no sign of being inside Sheridan and the junction point is only 2 blocks from a major route turn point. WY337 has no roadside indication at all on 87 or the indicated road.
As for WY193, since there are no labelled points between the north and south junctions those 2 points can indicate either routing (although I would normally put another point in for WY193).
--Andy |
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