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vespertine



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

Apparently PA is going truck route crazy. I found 4 new signed routes this past weekend, but didn't have the opportunity to really investigate any of them; I suppose you can take this as a 'heads-up' for anybody venturing into these areas who might look into them further.

PA56 Truck: saw signs on PA259 in Brush Valley for it, but don't have any good idea what its routing is.

PA331 Truck: I remember seeing an END TRUCK 331 in the area where PA221, PA231, and PA331 all converge. Like that area needs more shields where are the route numbers are a dyslexic's nightmare. Rolling Eyes Again, unclear of the route.

PA519 Truck: I saw a sign on PA50 @ I-79 for it, and an END TRUCK 519 sign at PA519, so I can at least verify that stretch of PA50 to be one leg of the route. I assume I-79 is the other leg?

PA982 Truck: Saw a sign northbound near Latrobe, which indicated PA982 Truck turning WB down Industrial Blvd (SR1020). I initially assumed it might take that to PA981 to US22/119, but saw no signs for the truck route at or near the intersection of PA982 and US22/119.

I enjoy the thrill of finding a new route and all, but all these new PA truck routes are ridiculous and confusing. Ugh.

v.

*edited: changed PA517 to 519. oops.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

vespertine wrote:
I enjoy the thrill of finding a new route and all, but all these new PA truck routes are ridiculous and confusing. Ugh.

Can we just drop truck routes from the route logs entirely? They're often poorly signed, created on a whim, and subject to deletion upon road/bridge improvements. Keep the Business, Alternate, Bypass, and all the other banners--they're fine. But let's dump the truck routes.
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rickmastfan67



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

mapcat wrote:
vespertine wrote:
I enjoy the thrill of finding a new route and all, but all these new PA truck routes are ridiculous and confusing. Ugh.

Can we just drop truck routes from the route logs entirely? They're often poorly signed, created on a whim, and subject to deletion upon road/bridge improvements. Keep the Business, Alternate, Bypass, and all the other banners--they're fine. But let's dump the truck routes.


But what would you then do with Truck US-19 in Pittsburgh? It is the only officially approved Truck route by the AASHTO, and even shows up in the route logs.

Either we have them all, or we don't. I don't think Tim would allow us to just cherry pick the ones we wanted to have.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
But what would you then do with Truck US-19 in Pittsburgh? It is the only officially approved Truck route by the AASHTO, and even shows up in the route logs.

Not sure why you bring this example up. Is there something special about that particular truck route?

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Either we have them all, or we don't. I don't think Tim would allow us to just cherry pick the ones we wanted to have.

I agree, which is why I said "entirely" in my initial comment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

mapcat wrote:
rickmastfan67 wrote:
But what would you then do with Truck US-19 in Pittsburgh? It is the only officially approved Truck route by the AASHTO, and even shows up in the route logs.

Not sure why you bring this example up. Is there something special about that particular truck route?


Because it's in the AASHTO logs for US Highways. And it's the only Truck route to have that happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
Because it's in the AASHTO logs for US Highways. And it's the only Truck route to have that happen.

OK, so since it's the only one to merit mention in the route log, it's much less likely that PennDOT or any other agency would delete it, so it would make sense to make an exception for it. My point was that trying to keep track of the routings of all these new truck routes sprouting across PA, and determine whether or not they're signed sufficiently, may be more work than it's worth, especially if PA's solution to its deficient bridge problem spreads to other states.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you there. It will be hard to keep track of some of these truck routes. I bet PennDOT is signing them like a normal routes based of the Truck US-30 that I encountered out in Robinson PA. The only thing I think we need to look out for is ones that are posted as 'TO' like the PA-51 one that deals with the Liberty Bridge here in Downtown Pittsburgh. Those never count for inclusion on the site.

Anyways, I bet some of these 'new' truck routes in PA will disappear once the deficient bridges are repaired. Just don't know when that just might happen yet. It might be years for some of the smaller bridges (like the Truck US-30 mentioned above), but sooner for the more major bridges like the Liberty Bridge and it's posted 'TO Truck PA-51' route(s) (yes, it has more than one route in the Downtown area).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was just over in Eastern PA and saw a TON of truck routes. Have pictures of most of them, but I'll make a separate thread for them later.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*waits for a truck interstate route* Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: PA: (yet more) PA truck routes Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
But what would you then do with Truck US-19 in Pittsburgh? It is the only officially approved Truck route by the AASHTO, and even shows up in the route logs.



I'm guessing it's not in the current AASHTO log, but US 9 Truck in Delaware was approved by AASHTO in Oct 1983

AASHTO numbering decisions from 1967-88 have been posted on the web:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Minutes_from_the_American_Association_of_State_Highway_and_Transportation_Officials

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickmastfan67 wrote:
I agree with you there. It will be hard to keep track of some of these truck routes. I bet PennDOT is signing them like a normal routes based of the Truck US-30 that I encountered out in Robinson PA. The only thing I think we need to look out for is ones that are posted as 'TO' like the PA-51 one that deals with the Liberty Bridge here in Downtown Pittsburgh. Those never count for inclusion on the site.

Anyways, I bet some of these 'new' truck routes in PA will disappear once the deficient bridges are repaired. Just don't know when that just might happen yet. It might be years for some of the smaller bridges (like the Truck US-30 mentioned above), but sooner for the more major bridges like the Liberty Bridge and it's posted 'TO Truck PA-51' route(s) (yes, it has more than one route in the Downtown area).

The Truck US 30 bypass of Buckstown through Somerset, which I've previously posted, is pieced together from US and state routes already in the HB. Such truck routes may warrant lower priority than the ones that include mileage not already in the HB.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master son wrote:
*waits for a truck interstate route* Confused

Well, there used to be Truck I-278 in NY.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deanej wrote:
Master son wrote:
*waits for a truck interstate route* Confused

Well, there used to be Truck I-278 in NY.

IIRC, the posted truck detour from the part of I-278 that follows the Grand Central Parkway is still there. Master son, I, and others drove it (or by it) during the NYC road meet in late June (Val, this was part of the meet after you had to leave the tour). OTOH, the truck detour follows surface streets, rather than an Interstate-level facility, which may be what Master son has in mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked on street view; eastbound I-278 has no mention of Astoria Blvd being a truck route (it instead says "vehicles over 12'6"") and westbound says "alt to I-278" with the same mention of overheight vehicles. I recall reading somewhere that Truck I-278 itself was officially decommissioned when NYSDOT allowed trucks (except overheight) on that portion of I-278 and truncated Grand Central Parkway. The last time I talked to Mike Fay in NYSDOT Main Office Highway Data Services, he mentioned that, as far as NYSDOT is concerned, the only bannered highway in the state is Business US 62 (the other truck routes are signed/designated by municipalities).

Of course, being NYC, any change in status could take decades before it propagates to all signage.
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