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Jeff Morrison
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 Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: MO: New Missouri River Bridge |
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I e-mailed MODOT and got a file showing every sign being replaced in the downtown St. Louis area. Ideally, I'll be able to get those wrapped in when the bridge opens in a couple weeks.
POINTS WILL BE BROKEN. I'll try to match old with new where I can especially on I-55. |
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Jeff Morrison
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: |
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New question:
How, exactly, do I create the relabeling list? I know that the updates page doesn't usually do lists.
That includes relabeling existing I-44 and I-55 exits, but more importantly, exits on I-70 will now be on I-44 with different numbers. |
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si404
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Relabeled waypoint that's in use:
[Region] [Route]: Relabeled waypoint [old waypoint label] as [new waypoint label].
eg.
Alanland I-366: Relabeled waypoints 85, 99 and 238 as 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
As for I-70 exits now on I-44, surely that would be covered by the I-70 relocation and I-44 extension descriptions?
If on the same route, then use the relabeled madlib.
If it is changing routes, then ignore (or post a table in this thread). |
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yakra
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| Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Is I-55 getting some of its 20nL series exits renumbered? |
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Jeff Morrison
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| Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| yakra wrote: | | Is I-55 getting some of its 20nL series exits renumbered? |
Affirmative. |
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Jeff Morrison
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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These numbers are gleaned from an official document MoDOT sent me and a couple YouTube videos of the new bridge.
I-44
290 (I-55 SB)->290B
290C (12th/Gravois)->290A
208(55) (7th St)->290C
209(55) (I-64)->291A
I-55
208 (7th St)->290C(44)
209 (I-64)->291A(44)
I-70 now I-44
251A (Walnut)->291B
250B (Eads Bridge)->292
250A (MLK Bridge)->292A
249A->I-70
I-70 (IL)
New exit 2 (To IL 3)
2C->3
3->3(55) |
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dfilpus
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:27 am Post subject: |
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The in use labels of 208(55) and 209(55) on I-44 were not deprecated in the I-44 file. All in use labels should be deprecated.
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oscar_voss
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| dfilpus wrote: | | The in use labels of 208(55) and 209(55) on I-44 were not deprecated in the I-44 file. All in use labels should be deprecated. |
In particular, my list file entry for all of MO I-44, before the changes in St. Louis, was broken by the disappearance of the 209(55) label (former endpoint for MO I-44), and need not have been.
I've already sent in a list file update to un-break my I-44 listing, but I suspect other users will have the same problem. Easier for them to just bring back 208(55) and 209(55) as deprecated labels. |
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Jeff Morrison
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I put in the deprecations for those two exits on I-55 but not I-44. I just sent a new file. |
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yakra
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry that I'm a bit late to the party here; I really should have posted before these changes hit the HB.
Re IL I-70 3(55):
The nomenclature seems a bit odd; it would imply that there's an exit signed as exit 3, followed by an exit signed as exit 3.
These would both be a kind of notional 3(55), what with the (once-and-still) 55/70 duplex continuing to the northeast.
If I believe the OSM map trace (but not Google), Exit 3 departs the mainline and then the ramp splits in two, for Exchange Ave and I-70 W.
If it were me, I'd combine them into a one-point-per-interchange, labeled 3. Exchange is only about .2 mi away.
I guess I'm being nitpicky again... :\
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MO I-44:
One of the deprecated in-use labels wasn't involved in the extension opf the route, and isn't mentioned on the updates page.
I've been using the following format that I've seen on the updates page in a few places:
| Quote: | | (USA) Missouri I-44: Moved waypoint 290C from MO 30 (now labeled 290A) to 7th St. |
though the template Si gave upthread works too.
(As an aside, the MO MO30 I-44(290C) label is no longer accurate. Plain I-44 will do the trick.) |
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Jeff Morrison
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| yakra wrote: | Sorry that I'm a bit late to the party here; I really should have posted before these changes hit the HB.
Re IL I-70 3(55):
The nomenclature seems a bit odd; it would imply that there's an exit signed as exit 3, followed by an exit signed as exit 3.
These would both be a kind of notional 3(55), what with the (once-and-still) 55/70 duplex continuing to the northeast.
If I believe the OSM map trace (but not Google), Exit 3 departs the mainline and then the ramp splits in two, for Exchange Ave and I-70 W.
If it were me, I'd combine them into a one-point-per-interchange, labeled 3. Exchange is only about .2 mi away. |
The Illinois side required some guesswork and YouTube, and didn't cover everything. From what I could tell, Exchange Avenue only exists as a westbound exit without anything else. (FWIW, Google still shows two separate ramps.) Since there is no exit from eastbound 70 to Exchange, EB I-70 travelers only have an Exit 3 of EB I-64.
I am confused by what you mean for "combine them into a one-point-per-interchange". The I-55/64/70 interchange needs to be centered on the interchange itself. The only way I could have one point, and one Exit 3 on I-70, is to eliminate the Exchange Avenue waypoint entirely. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it is a label in use.
Maybe I could keep an I-70 point for Exchange labeled as "3(55)", but close it off, i.e. make it "*3(55)"? Then on I-55, Exit 2C would cover the 64/70 interchange along with Exchange, and I would close Exit 3 there.
A field check would help greatly, but if I take any trips at all this year, they won't be until summer.
| Quote: | MO I-44:
One of the deprecated in-use labels wasn't involved in the extension opf the route, and isn't mentioned on the updates page.
I've been using the following format that I've seen on the updates page in a few places:
| Quote: | | (USA) Missouri I-44: Moved waypoint 290C from MO 30 (now labeled 290A) to 7th St. |
though the template Si gave upthread works too.
(As an aside, the MO MO30 I-44(290C) label is no longer accurate. Plain I-44 will do the trick.) |
I sent a list of number changes to Tim with the original package; he elected not to list them on the update page. Those numbers are in my earlier post.
I don't think I can make it plain "I-44" because MO 30's west end is I-44(239). But MO 30 was supposed to get 290C changed to 290A, and apparently I overlooked that when sending files. |
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yakra
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | From what I could tell, Exchange Avenue only exists as a westbound exit without anything else. |
Unsure what you meant at first. I gather "without anything else" means that no other movements are available here. Closest thing I can find to being another movement isn't from Exchange directly, just part of an overall "local streets to/from the east" complex, at the roundabout at Baugh & 9th.
| Quote: | | (FWIW, Google still shows two separate ramps.) |
I noticed that, yes. Making it out west to see whether their representation or OSM's is more accurate would be a but difficult, so I guess I picked OSM `cause it fit my narrative... 
| Quote: | | I am confused by what you mean for "combine them into a one-point-per-interchange". |
Shorthand for "combine them into one point, on the basis of the 'one-point-per-interchange' rule". Lost a little meaning in compressing the number of words down, I guess. Though from your reply it looks like you understood nonetheless.
| Quote: | | The I-55/64/70 interchange needs to be centered on the interchange itself. The only way I could have one point, and one Exit 3 on I-70, is to eliminate the Exchange Avenue waypoint entirely. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it is a label in use. |
Correct, this is what I propose doing.
| Quote: | | Maybe I could keep an I-70 point for Exchange labeled as "3(55)", but close it off, i.e. make it "*3(55)"? Then on I-55, Exit 2C would cover the 64/70 interchange along with Exchange, and I would close Exit 3 there. |
Well, nothing is really closed here. I was thinking, keep the lists nice and tidy with a single exit 3, being justified by citing the one-point-per-interchange rule. Those using the existing 3 point would still have their travel mapped to the right ("one-point-per") interchange, in the lo-res fashion typical of CHM.
| Quote: | | I don't think I can make it plain "I-44" because MO 30's west end is I-44(239). |
How did I not notice that?  |
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