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yakra
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| So, what about 322 here? Does it follow I-99, or the old surface route, now? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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US 220 and US 322 were already half-removed from the surface route when the freeway half-opened a year ago. PennDOT has said they want as much traffic off the old two-lane surface routes as much as possible, so those should have no remaining designation besides the standard 4-digit SR number.
This weekend I will be in the area and hopefully will get to check out what happens to Business US 220 near Bald Eagle. And to make sure Alt US 220 hasn't come back (it's still on the Nov. 2008 Centre County map from PennDOT). |
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rickmastfan67
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | And to make sure Alt US 220 hasn't come back (it's still on the Nov. 2008 Centre County map from PennDOT). |
Well, when I was back in that area in the beginning of August, and had to travel the "old" route to access the highway going South, I didn't see signs that mentioned Alt US-220. So, if it isn't still posted, we could either e-mail PennDOT or talk to Jeff Kitsko to see what he knows about the route. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| rickmastfan67 wrote: | | So, if it isn't still posted, we could either e-mail PennDOT or talk to Jeff Kitsko to see what he knows about the route. |
It was still signed as far as the most recent DOT map; however, that could have changed since 2007 when it came off the press.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Alt US 220 was gone a year ago when the I-99 freeway was partially opened:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastroads/message/6540
I think it was just a transition phase designation. It wasn't on the planning maps from the 1990s nor in any AASHTO applications I've seen on their site. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Shields Posted Northbound |
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From my trip to State College today, here are my conclusions in short:
- I-99's north end is at Musser Lane, half a mile south of I-80.
- US 220 and US 322 are relocated onto the newly opened freeway and no longer follow the old routings.
- Alt US 220 is still gone.
- Bus US 220's north end is still at PA 350, not at I-99/US 220 Exit 52 or anywhere else.
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| lkefct wrote: | | As of last night, all the I-99 shields are posted and visible northbound from Port Matilda through to I-80. This includes an "End I-99" marker approx. 1/2 mile AFTER the road has it's first at-grade interchange near the turns to get onto I-80. No shields are posted southbound as of yet anywhere until Bald Eagle (Exit 52). |
I-99 shields everywhere alright. A lot went up on the SB freeway since you posted, though you can find a spot or two where a roadside route marker is missing among all the duplexes and triplexes between PA 350 and I-80. The BGSs all seem right.
But I found the "END I-99" sign assembly along PA 26 NB just before the Musser Lane intersection.
http://www.m-plex.com/roads/raw/sc082911/DSCN7076.jpg
So that suggests the end of I-99 is where the freeway ends at the first intersection, short of reaching to the I-80 interchange ramps or even to Jacksonville Road. Google Maps ends the orange freeway color and begins the yellow surface road color at the same spot (Musser Lane). Between there and I-80, the roadway narrows from 2+2 divided to 1+1 undivided lanes.
On the other hand, South I-99 shields (no "TO" banners) are at the ends of each I-80 offramp and along PA 26 SB between ramp (I-80 EB to PA 26 SB) and Musser Lane, as though the 2-4--lane road is also part of the Interstate. But at Jacksonville Road's end at PA 26, signs say "TO I-99" to the right (south).
I found some Alt US 220 remnants between Milesburg and I-80 along PA 144 and PA 150, though it seems by its omission on the new sign assemblies that the route is intended to be gone there. Not surprising. Also, an oversized "TO PA 504" sign is posted on an offramp from I-80/Not-Alt-US-220 WB to PA 150 SB.
I approached the north end of Bus US 220 at PA 350 in Bald Eagle from all four directions. It still ends there, with signs indicating no truncation or extension. The END sign is still posted on Bus US 220 NB.
Other notes:
I-99 between US 322 and I-80 had SR 6026 on its little white signs since ~2002. Now it has two sets of LWSs, the 2nd for SR 99 and not posted at the same places as the SR 6026 LWSs. So PennDOT repartitioned the highway into segments consistent with Interstates rather than whatever they did for SR 6026. The part of I-99 between PA 350 and somewhere near Grey's Woods or N. Atherton St. was supposedly SR 6220 but is LWS-signed as SR 99. I didn't pay attention to the US 322 section, but ultimately it would be resegmented by Interstate milemarkers like the rest of I-99.
PA 99 is now SR 0699 according to PennDOT county maps. 199 and 299 are numbers already assigned, so that leaves room for I-99-related 399, 499, 599, 799, 899 Interstates if ever needed.
Edit: finished an incomplete sentence.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Shields Posted Northbound |
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| admin wrote: | But I found the "END I-99" sign assembly along PA 26 NB just before the Musser Lane intersection.
http://www.m-plex.com/roads/raw/sc082911/DSCN7076.jpg
So that suggests the end of I-99 is where the freeway ends at the first intersection, short of reaching to the I-80 interchange ramps or even to Jacksonville Road. Google Maps ends the orange freeway color and begins the yellow surface road color at the same spot (Musser Lane). Between there and I-80, the roadway narrows from 2+2 divided to 1+1 undivided lanes. |
That is definitely not where I remember seeing the Blue "END" banner that was waiting for a I-99 shield. It was where lkefct said it was. Maybe we should e-mail PennDOT to find out where I-99 officially ends. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Are the I-99 shields along the alignment uncovered now?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, no signs are still covered up, and I didn't see any blank spaces from before that were still blank. I saw a few dozen I-99 shields in total on BGSs and roadside sign assemblies along the route NB and SB and at the approaches from PA 350, I-80, and US 322's two junctions. I-99 is well signed from head to toe now.
As for the north end, after the END sign I showed you in the link in my previous post, there is no further trace of I-99 on PA 26 NB. But it does sound like the END sign is not where lkefct reported it to be earlier. I didn't think to look for an END SR 99 LWS.
Are Interstates permitted to end at minor township roads rather than at official NHS routes? It would take a major design exception to get the last half mile to I-80 designated Interstate-compatible, and it's almost pointless because the future interchange won't send I-99 on that road anyway. Of course, the signed north end of I-99 was previously at an intersection with PA 350 after using one-lane ramps, also substandard.
I took about 50 photos in total and can get them online in a few days. |
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rickmastfan67
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| Tim, where you on any part of I-80 before the interchange going either direction? Because I remember when I was on I-80 WB back around the time of the 2nd Pocono race, on the BGS's for the interchange, they had covered over I-99 shields. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I-80 EB:
| Code: | Exit 161
SOUTH
[99] [220] [26]
Bellefonte
NEXT EXIT 13 MILES
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