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froggie
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 Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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Noticed this one this morning.
The current Wyoming US 287 list has the mainline bypassing Rawlins. I know from experience that there is a BUSINESS/BYPASS split on US 287 in Rawlins.
My suggestion is to keep the mainline list as-is, and to create a new BUSINESS US 287 list for Rawlins (since none currently exists). The BUSINESS route follows BL I-80 and WY 789.
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yakra
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andytom
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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| froggie wrote: | Noticed this one this morning.
The current Wyoming US 287 list has the mainline bypassing Rawlins. I know from experience that there is a BUSINESS/BYPASS split on US 287 in Rawlins.
My suggestion is to keep the mainline list as-is, and to create a new BUSINESS US 287 list for Rawlins (since none currently exists). The BUSINESS route follows BL I-80 and WY 789. |
I did a little more research on this. WYDOT is woefully inadequate in terms of any type of route log.
The paired routing obviously physically exists as they are both marked on the road. As for officially existing, I've found little indication that one of the pair exists at any level of government. The only things are that there are 5 overhead BGS type signs along the downtown route indicating some level of state knowledge. A city of this size wouldn't have the money to waste on overhead signage. Also, the city map shows the downtown route as the main road and the bypass route in the same color as the other hwys in the area, but unmarked.
Based on all this (particularly the city map), I'm willing to add the bannered route but I don't know whether to do it as you describe or move the main route into downtown and add a bypass route.
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yakra
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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| andytom wrote: | | The paired routing obviously physically exists as they are both marked on the road. As for officially existing, I've found little indication that one of the pair exists at any level of government. The only things are that there are 5 overhead BGS type signs along the downtown route indicating some level of state knowledge. A city of this size wouldn't have the money to waste on overhead signage. |
<grin> - I usually count field signage as prima facie evidence of existing at some form of government. =)
| Quote: | Also, the city map shows the downtown route as the main road and the bypass route in the same color as the other hwys in the area, but unmarked.
Based on all this (particularly the city map), I'm willing to add the bannered route but I don't know whether to do it as you describe or move the main route into downtown and add a bypass route. |
Routedata.html states that with a business/bypass split with no signed "vanilla" routing, to include the bypass as the mainline route. Early on in the project, I asked Tim what do do about RI US1BusWar - RIDOT considered the business route as part of US1 proper. He said to still keep the bypass as the mainline route, as most drivers/users of the site wouldn't be aware of that distinction.
Also, consider that the highway set has already gone "live" with this alignment. |
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andytom
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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Based on further looking, I'll be adding a US287Bus as well as a US30Bus in Rawlins.
--Andy |
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andytom
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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| yakra wrote: | | andytom wrote: | | The paired routing obviously physically exists as they are both marked on the road. As for officially existing, I've found little indication that one of the pair exists at any level of government. The only things are that there are 5 overhead BGS type signs along the downtown route indicating some level of state knowledge. A city of this size wouldn't have the money to waste on overhead signage. |
<grin> - I usually count field signage as prima facie evidence of existing at some form of government. =) |
For one signed this well, I agree. An occasional roadside shields with unmarked turns tends to indicate a decommissioned route with leftover signs.
| yakra wrote: | | Quote: | Also, the city map shows the downtown route as the main road and the bypass route in the same color as the other hwys in the area, but unmarked.
Based on all this (particularly the city map), I'm willing to add the bannered route but I don't know whether to do it as you describe or move the main route into downtown and add a bypass route. |
Routedata.html states that with a business/bypass split with no signed "vanilla" routing, to include the bypass as the mainline route. Early on in the project, I asked Tim what do do about RI US1BusWar - RIDOT considered the business route as part of US1 proper. He said to still keep the bypass as the mainline route, as most drivers/users of the site wouldn't be aware of that distinction.
Also, consider that the highway set has already gone "live" with this alignment. |
What about if, after the split, they are both signed vanilla? Also, did you check the north end signage?
--Andy |
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yakra
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: WY: BUSINESS/BYPASS US 287 in Rawlins |
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| andytom wrote: | | What about if, after the split, they are both signed vanilla? |
Still go with a business/bypass set, bypass as mainline, for lack of a better plan? Try to find some official word? For the signage at either end of the split, would that at least indicate, bus(/van) in one direction, byp(/van) in another?
| andytom wrote: | | Also, did you check the north end signage? |
Still checking out the route, and editing the post upthread. |
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froggie
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yakra
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| froggie wrote: | | Yakra, did you notice the first two photos on my US 287 page, plus the vanilla SB US 287 shield on the bypass just south of the northern split? |
Went thru all that stuff quickly in a daze; I musta glossed over it. =) Either I missed that tiny SB shield or linked it as one of the "blurry things" -- interesting that some of the signage at the north end appears to be gone |
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andytom
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Since the signage is all over the place concerning the banners, I'll just take the easy route and put in a US287Bus and a US30Bus.
--Andy |
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yakra
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Just bumping this thread with a note for Tim:
WY I-80BLRaw is captioned for Rawlins, WY
but US30BusRaw US287BusRaw are captioned for Rawlings, WY |
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